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Governor Jim Gilmore got SEVEN Minutes on MSNBC Tuesday!

It’s great to hear my candidate, former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, on the video list – he got seven minutes or so on MSNBC in prime time and here it is!

I am pleased with the general tone of the interview.  Gilmore played to his strengths:  Taxes and Foreign Policy (fighting Terrorism) and he sounded presidential.  He has a tax plan, and he will examine the Iran deal but he is skeptical about it.  The former Virginia governor also spoke to the Middle East NATO idea.  We do need a coalition of the willing to fight ISIS; the Middle Easterners should do most of the fighting and Israel needs to stay out to preserve the coalition.  Again, presidential.

I would say – maybe some libertarian leaning GOP voters might have to look at Gilmore due to his stance on birthright citizenship.  I think at the end of the day he’s right.  But I get there in a different way.  And for different reasons.

The actual Amendment provision (I wrote a published scholarly legal article on a related question:  Did the Fourteenth Amendment repeal by implication the native-born requirement for President?  My answer is maybe yes [although I am not sure I like the implications of my research]) is:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

There is a huge loophole in the All Persons clause:  subject to the jurisdiction thereof.  The Native Americans on reservations were not subject to the jurisdiction under an ancient Supreme Court case and it took a 1924 federal law to change that. Kids of diplomats in the US DO NOT become citizens, either, for the same reason.

Could Congress say all children of illegal aliens are not citizens?  It is conceivable.  BUT I think it sets a bad precedent to give the government power to strip American-born persons of citizenship.  So I would oppose a law to change the birthright citizenship rule.  Ireland has a rule (I am told) that if an immigrant has a child in Ireland, the family can be deported – even the baby born in Ireland – subject to the baby being able to come back and ally for citizenship/residency when he or she turns 18.

So Gilmore is right in effect.  And I think he states the key issue when he says it is dangerous to tamper with this issue right now.  Again he shows leadership to stand up to those who would pander to the flavor of the day.  The former governor is worthy to be considered.  Let us hope Jim Gilmore will be in that debate September 16.  The nation needs to hear him.


About Elwood Sanders

Elwood "Sandy" Sanders is a Hanover attorney who is an Appellate Procedure Consultant for Lantagne Legal Printing and has written ten scholarly legal articles. Sandy was also Virginia's first Appellate Defender and also helped bring curling in VA! (None of these titles imply any endorsement of Sanders’ views)

14 Responses to “Governor Jim Gilmore got SEVEN Minutes on MSNBC Tuesday!”

  1. Paul Thiel says:

    I saw Gilmore and he needs to read up quite a bit more on the 14th amendment. I think he needs to read Mark Levin’s facts about anchor babies including the facts and myth section! He comes across as ignorant and uninformed when he slams the door on the issue as his opinion is the only correct fact. He is no more Presidential than than the man in the moon! Could this possibly be why he polls so poorly-less than 1 percent!

    • Sandy Sanders

      Paul, I think I actually agreed that there is a potential reading of the 14th Amendment that allows no birthright citizenship. But I am concerned: Do we want Congress and the President deciding who is a citizen? All that has to be done is a liberal Congress and liberal President to say that Tea Party folks are potential terrorists and thus lose their citizenship. Far fetched? Perhaps a bit right now but gay marriage being constitutionally mandated was far fetched just a few years ago.

      Thanks for coming by, Paul.


  2. Rivahmitch says:

    Sorry, but we’re drowning in invaders and the author and Gilmore are both hung up with misinterpreting an Amendment that was passed for a specific purpose in a specific time period to benefit those who deserve no benefit.

    Consider that historically, nations have had three common characteristics which hold them together: (i) defensible borders; (ii) common language; and (iii) common religion.

    We did have defensible borders until the idiots in DC decided to stop defending them.

    The U.S. has never had the classical “common religion”, though it has a Judeo-Christian ethic, but has had a common civic “religion” based on the work ethic, personal freedom and meritocracy. That is now being trashed.

    We did have English (which historic immigrants were required to learn) as a common language but now we’ve abandoned that requirement and are a modern example of the tower of Babel. When people can’t communicate, they don’t bond, nor is there any incentive to do so when politicians play to the various tribal interests instead of the common interests. Without such commonalities, there is no nation and no sense of community, Only tribal rivalries and force (which empowers government).

    We also had defensible borders until “our” government decided to stop defending them and allow invaders (those who enter unsanctioned by force or stealth and take that which belongs to others are NOT immigrants but invaders) to help themselves. Refusing to enforce immigration laws in and then applying the 14th Amendment in such a way as to allow invaders to claim “citizenship” for their offspring is to sanction invasion. The insane idea that such are entitled to the rights of citizens is a complete fabrication by a legal system overly concerned with “legal process” and semantics and totally unconcerned with both the original intent and the ongoing effect of its willful misconstruction of our Constitution. As Jefferson predicted, the Constitution has been rendered meaningless by the construction of lawyers and robed tyrants.

    As had been said many times, “the law is an ass” It’s also been written before that the Constitution is NOT a suicide pact. Allowing invaders to breed themselves into control of our country is nothing less than suicide and those who support it are unworthy to be called “American citizens”.

    • Tom White says:

      Well said Rivahmitch. When Gilmore hired the traitor Boyd Marcus he lost my vote. Proves he is a US Chamber of Commerce lackey. So of course he supports amnesty, anchor babies and anything else that will line the pockets of his masters with the money they make by exploiting illegal aliens. I have absolutely no respect for Gilmore at all.
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    • Sandy Sanders

      Well written Rivahmitch. Much of it I agree with. I also agree we need an immigration policy but it must be humane and must be true to our principles. I am not sure I want Washington DC deciding that I cannot be a citizen for some specious reason. Any amendment or legislation probably cannot be retroactive anyway.

      Thanks for coming by and it is always good to see robust debate between bloggers!


  3. Gladys Mims says:

    The hypocrisy of the Left in America and their 14th Amendment Faux outrage:

    The Liberal MSNBC talking heads were appalled at the “derogatory language” used by Trump yesterday in New Hampshire referring to illegal children born to illegal aliens as “Anchor Babies,” calling them “beautiful little people.”

    Where was the outrage by these same LIberals when Planned Parenthood’s BABY CHOP SHOP was aborting full term babies for body parts?

  4. Galen Copp says:

    All of these so called “Dream Kids” weren’t born here as Anchor Babies or brought here as young children as the LEFT claims.

    One of Donald Trump’s Hotel employees gave an interview to MSNBC where the young man said he came here as an illegal child of illegal parents. He said he “grew up here” and went to school here and went to high school.

    He gave his interview in HEAVY ACCENTED Spanish—– that means he didn’t learn ENGLISH before the age of 12 or 13.

    Language is imprinted- if you don’t learn English until after the age of 12 or 13 you will never speak it without an accent. This is HOW WE KNOW YOU ARRIVED LATER, not as an Anchor Baby if you know what I mean.

    Just remember this when the Liberals call all these Illegals “Dream Kids” many came here illegally and weren’t born here.

    Send them back and let them get in line to come back legally.

    • Sandy Sanders

      We’ll need a new government bureaucracy to make sure anchor babies were truly born here after all, perhaps? If we secure the border first and make some decisions as to what benefits illegals cannot get access to, then we can set up local boards of upstanding citizens, similar to the old draft board, to decide who stays and who goes and what terms (paying back back taxes, etc.)

      Thanks, Galen for coming by.


  5. Ron Hedlund

    Gilmore is wrong on Boyd and wrong on immigration. Two wrongs do not make a right wing conservative.


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